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	<title>Comments on: The Spirits of Experiment, Design and Science vs. the Spirits of Economy, Waste and Risk</title>
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	<description>Kiln-fired stained glass painting - fire less, paint better</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 18:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Mavro,

I&#039;m sorry to hear about the blistering. Can I ask, What medium are you using?

Thank you.
Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Mavro,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear about the blistering. Can I ask, What medium are you using?</p>
<p>Thank you.<br />
Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Mavro Coggins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mavro Coggins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 16:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Stephen,

I have been experimenting with Reusche’s Blendable Bending enamels and am having a problem.  Every time I fire the piece I get blisters or bubbles - ugly stuff.

Since I mainly do fusing I usually paint on Bullseye COE 90 clear 3m glass. I don’t know if this is important. 

I’ve tried using various mediums. I&#039;ve also tried painting lighter, thicker, with less medium, with more medium.  I’ve ground it off, repainted and fired it again and &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; have problems ... I’m firing at the recommended temperature - 1300 ° F temp.  

I don’t think my kiln is firing higher then it is saying, so I’m at a loss as to what I should do next.

Is there something I could apply to the glass prior to painting?  

And &lt;em&gt;yes&lt;/em&gt; the glass is &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; clean before I paint!

Thanks,
Mavro Coggins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Stephen,</p>
<p>I have been experimenting with Reusche’s Blendable Bending enamels and am having a problem.  Every time I fire the piece I get blisters or bubbles &#8211; ugly stuff.</p>
<p>Since I mainly do fusing I usually paint on Bullseye COE 90 clear 3m glass. I don’t know if this is important. </p>
<p>I’ve tried using various mediums. I&#8217;ve also tried painting lighter, thicker, with less medium, with more medium.  I’ve ground it off, repainted and fired it again and <em>still</em> have problems &#8230; I’m firing at the recommended temperature &#8211; 1300 ° F temp.  </p>
<p>I don’t think my kiln is firing higher then it is saying, so I’m at a loss as to what I should do next.</p>
<p>Is there something I could apply to the glass prior to painting?  </p>
<p>And <em>yes</em> the glass is <em>always</em> clean before I paint!</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Mavro Coggins</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Cadogan-Cowper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Cadogan-Cowper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much all been said above. But in regard to Muhammad&#039;s remark about rainbows..

My solution when I needed to do this was to build the rainbow with glass frit in the various shades. This done using something akin to Tibetan sand painting technique.  Laborious and care needed re compatibility of frits but the result looks good in both transmitted and reflected light - which is not always so.

Necessary of course to do the rainbow before any stained glass work as you will fusing (or sintering depending upon effect wanted) at temperatures above stain temps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much all been said above. But in regard to Muhammad&#8217;s remark about rainbows..</p>
<p>My solution when I needed to do this was to build the rainbow with glass frit in the various shades. This done using something akin to Tibetan sand painting technique.  Laborious and care needed re compatibility of frits but the result looks good in both transmitted and reflected light &#8211; which is not always so.</p>
<p>Necessary of course to do the rainbow before any stained glass work as you will fusing (or sintering depending upon effect wanted) at temperatures above stain temps.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for these very useful comments. It&#039;s great that people take the time and have the confidence to share experience and knowledge with one another like this.

People can find a link to Kevin Petrie&#039;s book in the &#039;Useful Books&#039; box up above and on the right. It&#039;s worth a read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for these very useful comments. It&#8217;s great that people take the time and have the confidence to share experience and knowledge with one another like this.</p>
<p>People can find a link to Kevin Petrie&#8217;s book in the &#8216;Useful Books&#8217; box up above and on the right. It&#8217;s worth a read.</p>
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		<title>By: rtistdug</title>
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		<dc:creator>rtistdug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about the rejecting &#039;saving money&#039; approach. Trying to do brilliant stuff at the highest level always requires the best tools and materials - there&#039;s no question about that. And they aren&#039;t &#039;expensive&#039; at all when you think about the pain and frustration of struggling with cheap, inadequate gear. 

On the technical question of ceramic vs. glass paint, the handbook &#039;Glass and Print&#039; by Kevin Petrie (A&amp;C Black, London) 2006, has a body of helpful advice about chemical compatibility, firing profiles and techniques for ceramic and glass paints. 

Granted, brush-painting and screen-printing aren&#039;t always seen as being artistically compatible techniques, but the chemistry remains the same.

For screen-printing approaches, the cheaper ceramic paints are attractive for allowing generous quantities to be mixed, but I wouldn&#039;t  bet they&#039;d behave as well on a brush as would top-grade glass paints mixed according to the recipes given by W&amp;B. 

On the other hand, there could be questions about how well glass paints would perform for screen-printing or decal-printing applications, quite apart from the frightening cost of mixing up big quantities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about the rejecting &#8216;saving money&#8217; approach. Trying to do brilliant stuff at the highest level always requires the best tools and materials &#8211; there&#8217;s no question about that. And they aren&#8217;t &#8216;expensive&#8217; at all when you think about the pain and frustration of struggling with cheap, inadequate gear. </p>
<p>On the technical question of ceramic vs. glass paint, the handbook &#8216;Glass and Print&#8217; by Kevin Petrie (A&amp;C Black, London) 2006, has a body of helpful advice about chemical compatibility, firing profiles and techniques for ceramic and glass paints. </p>
<p>Granted, brush-painting and screen-printing aren&#8217;t always seen as being artistically compatible techniques, but the chemistry remains the same.</p>
<p>For screen-printing approaches, the cheaper ceramic paints are attractive for allowing generous quantities to be mixed, but I wouldn&#8217;t  bet they&#8217;d behave as well on a brush as would top-grade glass paints mixed according to the recipes given by W&amp;B. </p>
<p>On the other hand, there could be questions about how well glass paints would perform for screen-printing or decal-printing applications, quite apart from the frightening cost of mixing up big quantities.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Cornejo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Cornejo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen and Muhammad!

In the school in Mexico we used ceramic pigments and mixed them with a frit whose number is #3419. This frit has the effect of making the ceramic pigments behave very much like glass pigments e.g. in terms of their coefficient of expansion.  

In this way, the ceramic colors can be worked without problem, but the colors will change - depending on whether we see the glass with reflected or transmited light. I always make this very clear to the client. If the client wants to have painting on opaque glass and the view is with reflected light, then the glass is only serving as a canvas, and you might as well paint with oil, or acrylic or whatever medium you want. 

But if you are going to see it with transmited light, the color only blocks the light - even the white behaves as grey in such conditions.

Regarding the use of oil: all paintings use pigment &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; a medium to bind the color. In oil painting on canvas, it is linseed oil. In glass is the pigments and the frit which, when heated, bind the color. 

I assume that if you use some earth pigment of oil, and mix it with glass frit, then you can use oil. But I don&#039;t know about the concentration of pigment, because the oil pigments have fillers like calcite to &lt;em&gt;reduce the cost&lt;/em&gt;.

All the best,
Carlos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephen and Muhammad!</p>
<p>In the school in Mexico we used ceramic pigments and mixed them with a frit whose number is #3419. This frit has the effect of making the ceramic pigments behave very much like glass pigments e.g. in terms of their coefficient of expansion.  </p>
<p>In this way, the ceramic colors can be worked without problem, but the colors will change &#8211; depending on whether we see the glass with reflected or transmited light. I always make this very clear to the client. If the client wants to have painting on opaque glass and the view is with reflected light, then the glass is only serving as a canvas, and you might as well paint with oil, or acrylic or whatever medium you want. </p>
<p>But if you are going to see it with transmited light, the color only blocks the light &#8211; even the white behaves as grey in such conditions.</p>
<p>Regarding the use of oil: all paintings use pigment <em>and</em> a medium to bind the color. In oil painting on canvas, it is linseed oil. In glass is the pigments and the frit which, when heated, bind the color. </p>
<p>I assume that if you use some earth pigment of oil, and mix it with glass frit, then you can use oil. But I don&#8217;t know about the concentration of pigment, because the oil pigments have fillers like calcite to <em>reduce the cost</em>.</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Carlos</p>
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		<title>By: Stained Glass Paints vs. Ceramic Paints</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stained Glass Paints vs. Ceramic Paints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 18:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Stephen Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe, Muhammad - certainly a matter for rigourous testing. 

For us, and perhaps also for you, it is always necessary to &lt;em&gt;begin &lt;/em&gt;with a design (which in its own turn has its origins in many hundreds of different ideas), and then find the means to express this design in (for us) &lt;em&gt;stained glass&lt;/em&gt; (as opposed to sculpture, for example, because we are not sculptors). 

So, if we were to create a design which demanded a rainbow effect, then we would certainly explore every avenue &lt;em&gt;until &lt;/em&gt;we had found the necessary techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, Muhammad &#8211; certainly a matter for rigourous testing. </p>
<p>For us, and perhaps also for you, it is always necessary to <em>begin </em>with a design (which in its own turn has its origins in many hundreds of different ideas), and then find the means to express this design in (for us) <em>stained glass</em> (as opposed to sculpture, for example, because we are not sculptors). </p>
<p>So, if we were to create a design which demanded a rainbow effect, then we would certainly explore every avenue <em>until </em>we had found the necessary techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Tarique Nadeem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muhammad Tarique Nadeem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it were possible to combine the ceramic colours with the stained glass paints, and maybe also with water-colour and even oil paints, then perhaps it would then be possible to create a rainbow effect with a magnificent variety of tone.

My kind regards,
Muhammad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it were possible to combine the ceramic colours with the stained glass paints, and maybe also with water-colour and even oil paints, then perhaps it would then be possible to create a rainbow effect with a magnificent variety of tone.</p>
<p>My kind regards,<br />
Muhammad</p>
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