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		<title>By: Stephen Byrne</title>
		<link>http://www.realglasspainting.com/stained-glass-painting-techniques/2009/02/12/stained-glass-lettering/comment-page-1/#comment-2114</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bonnie, That&#039;s so helpful: thank you very much for joining in and sharing your knowledge and experience. All the best, Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bonnie, That&#8217;s so helpful: thank you very much for joining in and sharing your knowledge and experience. All the best, Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Faulkner</title>
		<link>http://www.realglasspainting.com/stained-glass-painting-techniques/2009/02/12/stained-glass-lettering/comment-page-1/#comment-2111</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Faulkner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, by &#039;lettering&#039; I was referring to calligraphic letters with something like a Speedball or Mitchell flat nib.  These letters are much smaller and more like a natural handwriting than the more exacting letters that Stephen describes above.    I use the lettering as a &#039;texture&#039; to the imagery (much like cross-hatching) in a lot of cases.  Calligraphy for me is second nature (30 years plus now) so I seem to put it in everything!  There are so many phenomenal calligraphers that hail from GB, Peter Halliday being one of my personal favorites :)

Christine, I have used David&#039;s technique that Stephen links to above with the calligraphy nibs and it works beautifully -  if calligraphy is what you are looking to do.  There are several sites online to pick up the calligraphy nibs but a well stocked local art store would have them, too.  They are very reasonably priced.

Hope this helps.

Bonnie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, by &#8216;lettering&#8217; I was referring to calligraphic letters with something like a Speedball or Mitchell flat nib.  These letters are much smaller and more like a natural handwriting than the more exacting letters that Stephen describes above.    I use the lettering as a &#8216;texture&#8217; to the imagery (much like cross-hatching) in a lot of cases.  Calligraphy for me is second nature (30 years plus now) so I seem to put it in everything!  There are so many phenomenal calligraphers that hail from GB, Peter Halliday being one of my personal favorites <img src='http://www.realglasspainting.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Christine, I have used David&#8217;s technique that Stephen links to above with the calligraphy nibs and it works beautifully &#8211;  if calligraphy is what you are looking to do.  There are several sites online to pick up the calligraphy nibs but a well stocked local art store would have them, too.  They are very reasonably priced.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Bonnie</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Byrne</title>
		<link>http://www.realglasspainting.com/stained-glass-painting-techniques/2009/02/12/stained-glass-lettering/comment-page-1/#comment-2105</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Christine,

Have you seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realglasspainting.com/stained-glass-painting-techniques/2009/09/14/stained-glass-painting-with-nib-and-oil/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; David wrote about using nib and oil? Maybe that will be help.

Now, for my own part, I can imagine lettering being fine with nib and oil if the lettering is informal and non-calligraphic. But the moment the lettering must be exactly right, then I do wonder if brush and water-based paint become appropriate ... because there are techniques which permit one to (a) lay down the lines where they should be, and (b) correct small deviations.

That said, what do &lt;em&gt;you &lt;/em&gt;think?

All the best,
Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christine,</p>
<p>Have you seen <a href="http://www.realglasspainting.com/stained-glass-painting-techniques/2009/09/14/stained-glass-painting-with-nib-and-oil/" rel="nofollow">this post</a> David wrote about using nib and oil? Maybe that will be help.</p>
<p>Now, for my own part, I can imagine lettering being fine with nib and oil if the lettering is informal and non-calligraphic. But the moment the lettering must be exactly right, then I do wonder if brush and water-based paint become appropriate &#8230; because there are techniques which permit one to (a) lay down the lines where they should be, and (b) correct small deviations.</p>
<p>That said, what do <em>you </em>think?</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Christine KIlner</title>
		<link>http://www.realglasspainting.com/stained-glass-painting-techniques/2009/02/12/stained-glass-lettering/comment-page-1/#comment-2104</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine KIlner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen,

Bonnie spoke about lettering with pens - I&#039;ve tried to do this to no avail and can&#039;t find any reference to that technique. Can you point me in the right direction, please?

Thanks, Christine ( Australia)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stephen,</p>
<p>Bonnie spoke about lettering with pens &#8211; I&#8217;ve tried to do this to no avail and can&#8217;t find any reference to that technique. Can you point me in the right direction, please?</p>
<p>Thanks, Christine ( Australia)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonnie! How kind of you to write. For our part, we like to talk with people. And I know you do too, so you know exactly what I mean. Thank &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonnie! How kind of you to write. For our part, we like to talk with people. And I know you do too, so you know exactly what I mean. Thank <i>you</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Faulkner</title>
		<link>http://www.realglasspainting.com/stained-glass-painting-techniques/2009/02/12/stained-glass-lettering/comment-page-1/#comment-2070</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie Faulkner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 19:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Stephen for such and informative site.  I so wish I had more time to spend on painting!  I have used my calligraphy nibs and done some hand-lettering on glass with wonderful results.  I used your glass paint techniques and the results were amazing! 

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Bonnie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Stephen for such and informative site.  I so wish I had more time to spend on painting!  I have used my calligraphy nibs and done some hand-lettering on glass with wonderful results.  I used your glass paint techniques and the results were amazing! </p>
<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you!</p>
<p>Bonnie</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Byrne</title>
		<link>http://www.realglasspainting.com/stained-glass-painting-techniques/2009/02/12/stained-glass-lettering/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Julia,
Thanks for your questions.

First, the undercoat is rarely obligatory. It&#039;s just that the technique of painting on an undercoat is itself so rarely mentioned that we feel it&#039;s more than worth an emphasis.

Second, your questions are perfect. If you &quot;stick&quot; around the lettering, you will indeed (in some measure) damage the undercoat.

However, if the undercoat is fine, there are many circumstances in which it will become nearly invisible through firing. (This is because between 10% and 15% of the darknesss of paint is usually removed by the mere process of firing.) So, with a fine undercoat, the &quot;damage&quot; will itself become even finer.

That said, you are absolutely correct in thinking you would otherwise need to remove the whole undercoat. Now if you will please look in the column on the far right, under &quot;Useful Free Downloads&quot;, you&#039;ll find a published article of ours called &quot;Stained Glass Lettering&quot; where we do indeed remove the whole undercoat. This is a messy process. But, since the lettering lasts for tens of years, maybe for centuries, then, if the undercoat grants us accuracy, perhaps the mess of removing it can now be justified? 

Thanks so much for seeing that we need to expand and clarify here! 

All the best from us,
Stephen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Julia,<br />
Thanks for your questions.</p>
<p>First, the undercoat is rarely obligatory. It&#8217;s just that the technique of painting on an undercoat is itself so rarely mentioned that we feel it&#8217;s more than worth an emphasis.</p>
<p>Second, your questions are perfect. If you &#8220;stick&#8221; around the lettering, you will indeed (in some measure) damage the undercoat.</p>
<p>However, if the undercoat is fine, there are many circumstances in which it will become nearly invisible through firing. (This is because between 10% and 15% of the darknesss of paint is usually removed by the mere process of firing.) So, with a fine undercoat, the &#8220;damage&#8221; will itself become even finer.</p>
<p>That said, you are absolutely correct in thinking you would otherwise need to remove the whole undercoat. Now if you will please look in the column on the far right, under &#8220;Useful Free Downloads&#8221;, you&#8217;ll find a published article of ours called &#8220;Stained Glass Lettering&#8221; where we do indeed remove the whole undercoat. This is a messy process. But, since the lettering lasts for tens of years, maybe for centuries, then, if the undercoat grants us accuracy, perhaps the mess of removing it can now be justified? </p>
<p>Thanks so much for seeing that we need to expand and clarify here! </p>
<p>All the best from us,<br />
Stephen</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Wlliamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Wlliamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! 
Can you please say more about why you would paint an &lt;em&gt;undercoat&lt;/em&gt; on glass you are lettering over if you have to &quot;stick&quot; around your lettering in order to correct tiny inaccuracies?  

Would this not damage the undercoat and consequently force you to remove the entire undercoat?  

If not, how do you resolve the highlights that are created by sticking?

Thanks,
Julia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />
Can you please say more about why you would paint an <em>undercoat</em> on glass you are lettering over if you have to &#8220;stick&#8221; around your lettering in order to correct tiny inaccuracies?  </p>
<p>Would this not damage the undercoat and consequently force you to remove the entire undercoat?  </p>
<p>If not, how do you resolve the highlights that are created by sticking?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Julia</p>
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